Paul Joseph Watson
February 13, 2013
Police audio from the Christopher Dorner siege reveals a deliberate plan to burn down the cabin in which Dorner was trapped, with one LAPD officer heard to say, “fucking burn this motherfucker,” before police discussed their intention to, “go ahead with the plan with the burners.”
The audio was captured on police scanners as well as being picked up by a local news broadcast.
“Alright, we’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burners,” one officer says.
“Copy,” replies another.
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Tuesday, January 27, 2004
|Daily Bulletin 1-27-04Former police chief sues Cal Poly Pomona
Quan claims he was fired after not hiring candidate to post
By ROD LEVEQUE
|A former Cal Poly Pomona police chief is suing the school and the Cal State University system, claiming he was fired because he refused to hire an unqualified black woman to be his second in command.Randal Quan alleges that university officials pressured him to hire the woman as his lieutenant in the name of diversity, despite his protests that doing so would jeopardize campus safety.
Quan was abruptly fired April 8, about six months after starting the $107,000 per year job, sparking protests at the campus.
The Walnut man did not return a telephone call left at his home Monday seeking comment.
His attorney, Steven Serratore, declined to comment on the lawsuit, as did a Cal Poly spokesman.
Quan was hired at Cal Poly with much fanfare in May 2002 after 26 years in law enforcement.
He gained much of his experience with the Los Angeles Police Department, where he became the first Chinese-American captain in the history of that department and served as commanding officer of 335 sworn and civilian employees of the jail division.
He replaced Kim Plater at Cal Poly, where he supervised 16 sworn peace officers and an administrative staff during his short stay.
In his lawsuit, filed Jan. 15 in Los Angeles Superior Court, Quan claims Cal Poly Provost Tomas Morales began pressuring him to hire a black woman for the lieutenant job soon after hiring him. He claims Morales was eager to hire a high-ranking female officer to compensate for losing Plater and to gain political favor from some campus groups.
The lieutenant holds the second highest ranking job in the department and assumes command of the police force in the chief’s absence.
Quan claims in his lawsuit that Morales and other university officials manipulated a search process so Shirley Smith, a black woman who heads the private security force at Cypress College, was named a finalist.
Quan claims he interviewed Smith and determined she lacked the qualifications for the lieutenant job. Specifically, she lacked police patrol, supervision, and investigative experience, and had never filed cases with a district attorney’s office.
She also held an expired training certification, he claims.
Quan alleges that despite this, top administrators pressured him to hire Smith, even though other finalists included two sergeants from the Cal Poly police force and another from Cal State Fullerton, all of whom possessed the training Smith lacked.
He claims he rebuffed the overtures until he was called to Morales’ office and abruptly fired. He claims Morales refused to tell him why.
Quan is suing for wrongful termination, violation of the California Fair Employment and Housing Act and infliction of emotional distress.
Smith on Monday distanced herself from the disagreement, saying she didn’t want to take sides.
She said she does, however, resent that Quan openly called her qualifications into question.
“It’s completely unfair to a person who is innocent and didn’t have anything to do with the choice or situation,” she said. “You choose a person or you don’t. I accept that for what it’s worth. But the issue is not me. It’s an issue that exists between the people who work there and the people who run the place.”
University spokesman Ron Fremont said the lieutenant job has remained vacant while the university searched for a new chief.
That search recently ended when the school hired Michael Guerin, who previously worked as the chief of the Law Enforcement Branch of the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services.
Smith would not say whether she was still interested in the lieutenant job.
“Like we talked about,” the first officer responds.
“The burners are deployed, and we have a fire,” says another officer moments later, before the police dispatcher repeats the statement.
Within minutes of the fire starting, police note that the cabin is “starting to collapse.”
Police are also heard discussing if they are ready to “bring fire”.
“Burners” is police slang for tear gas canisters, which are known to cause fires.
In a separate clip carried by a local news channel, police are heard to say, “Fucking burn this motherfucker,” and “burn that fucking house down.” This audio appears to be from earlier in the siege following the initial shootout between Dorner and cops.
The fact that police would burn down the cabin in which Dorner was trapped, in a similar fashion to how the infamous Waco siege ended in 1993, was predicted ahead of time in a video Alex Jones made hours beforehand. I made the same prediction in a Facebook post before reports even emerged that the cabin was on fire.
Given the ammunition inside the cabin, LAPD officers knew that the tear gas would lead to a fire and instead of waiting it out, chose instead to carry out a summary execution. That’s not to excuse the actions of Dorner, but the fact that police now view burning people to death as a reasonable way to apprehend a suspect is shocking.
As Mike Adams writes today, “If the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty — without a trial or anything resembling due process — then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that’s how they’re acting.”
A spokeswoman for the San Bernardino county sheriff’s office said that Dorner’s charred remains were found inside the cabin, but the LAPD still refuses to confirm that a body has been discovered.
The quotes by cops screaming to burn the cabin down from earlier in the siege can be heard in the news report below.
Just a couple years ago we reported that the U.S. military was involved in war gaming scenarios that included training for such things as large scale economic collapse and civil unrest. Photos from the training exercises showed simulated situations that included protesters holding up “We Need Food Now” signs. It was a clear sign that the government is preparing for just such an event, and that they were training military personnel to respond in the capacity of a domestic police force.
The warnings we and others issued were ignored by most of the population and dismissed by many as nothing more than conspiracy theory and fear mongering.
A few years on, the military continues to step up exercises focused on urban deployment and as recently as last month held live exercises in heavily populated US metropolitan areas.
Residents of Miami and Houston were treated to troop mobilizations, machine gun fire, and gunships flying over their cities. After concerned callers reported the activities to local news stations, the media quickly moved to calm fears of a terrorist attack or invasion. They smiled while they did it and shrugged off the unprecedented displays as just your average, everyday military exercise.
Except, of course, the US military, up until recently, has never openly trained in U.S. cities, and especially not in scores of cities with training spread over such a short period of time.
Which begs the question, why are the military and local law enforcement holding realistic urban training exercises on the streets of America when they could do it at any of the hundreds of training facilities around the world?
Via: The Daily Crux, Burning Platform
I was once stationed at Camp Lejuene, NC. As a Navy Corpsman, I helped care for Marines. I tell you this because inevitably there will be those that assume I hold some anti-military motive.
At no time during my time there were “realistic urban training” exercises conducted in towns and cities. This is a recent development.
The training has been coordinated with local, county and state agencies and officials, including the Ridgeland police and fire departments, according to a Marine Corps news release.
Although there is no danger, Farao said residents should stay away if they see training under way or uniformed personnel.
Realistic Urban Training is happening all over the U.S.
In Miami, Florida on January 26, 2013, Army Backhawk helicopters swooped through the city at night, firing door-guns and chasing make-believe bad guys like something out of an action movie. The fired blanks echoed off of the buildings, scaring many residents into taking cover. The local news reported excitedly about the exercise, stating it was only a drill and for residents not to be concerned. However, there was no journalistic follow up asking hard questions. Such as, who authorized an exercise without informing the public? Why conduct this type of training in a populated U.S. city and put citizens at risk? Isn’t this a violation of Posse Comitatus? No hard follow up questions were asked, and to my knowledge, have not been since.
Not even when the same exercise occurred in Houston, Texas on January 29, 2013. The U.S. Army along with other agencies took over the Carnegie Vanguard High School in Houston on Monday. Alarmed residents called police and complained about gunshots and helicopters. No details were provided about the training. Watch the KTRK-TV Houston report and hear how alarmed residents responded after hearing gunshots and seeing military helicopters flying over their homes.
According to Sgt. 1st Class Michael Noggle, an Army spokesman based at Fort Bragg, N.C., “We were invited by the city of Galveston to conduct joint training exercises to enhance the effectiveness of both services in order to better protect the residents of Galveston.”
He went on to say in an email that “The purpose of the realistic urban training is to give our Special Operators an opportunity to hone their skills in a controlled, but unfamiliar, realistic urban environment that cannot be replicated with the bare-boned facades found on military installation ranges.”
I’ve highlighted a few examples, but there are more. In a search I came upon these others. Los Angeles, CA, Plainville and Worchester, Massachusetts. As reported in the other stories, residents were unaware of the drills until helicopters swooped over their neighborhoods. And here’s more: Minneapolis, MN, and this in East Saint Louis, MO. There are many more, but these links provide a foundation for further research.
I spoke with a high-ranking, military source in DHS.
Preferring to remain unnamed for obvious reasons, he told me, “DHS and DOD are conducting desensitizing exercises all across the U.S.,” he paused, then added, “we’re being prepared for mass civil unrest in major U.S. cities. DOD will be expected to help – when we’re requested.”
I asked if there was a timeline for expecting civil unrest in our cities and why should we expect it to begin with.
I was told that there were many reasons, but that the continued devaluation of our currency, the predicted history-setting prices for gasoline this summer and the continued gun control debate are forming a perfect storm of civil discontent. When this storm hits, it will most assuredly produce mass casualties. When does DHS expect this to happen?
From a high-ranking source deep within DHS, who has strong DOD ties, we are being told that joint DOD-local law enforcement exercises are to desensitize us to military occupation. When asked if there was any concern about violating Posse Comitatus, he stated “no concern at all,” and added, “That’s been a non-issue for a long time.”
Source: The Allegiant
We are hearing similar reports from DHS, DOD, and law enforcement sources known by numerous investigators and reporters in alternative media. Many of the sources have requested to remain anonymous, prompting skeptics to call it bunk. However, it’s hard to believe that there is nothing to this. Furthermore, if you were privy to details that your government was about to implement a massive police state and past whistle blowers were imprisoned and had their lives destroyed, would you be willing to share your name and put your family in harm’s way?
As noted by Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones in a recent report at Infowars.com, there is a strong possibility that whatever the US government is preparing for has been orchestrated by the elite, who hope to benefit in the form of money, resources and power, something we’ve seen throughout history:
Every indication clearly suggests that authorities in the United States are preparing for widespread civil unrest. This trend has not emerged by accident – it is part of a tried and tested method used by the banking elite to seize control of nations, strip them of their assets, and absorb them into the new world order.
There is a crucial economic imperative as to why the elite is seeking to engineer and exploit social unrest.
One of the final steps of the process, the “IMF riot,” detailed how the elite would plan for mass civil unrest ahead of time that would have the effect of scaring off investors and causing government bankruptcies.
“This economic arson has its bright side – for foreigners, who can then pick off remaining assets at fire sale prices,” writes Palast, adding, “A pattern emerges. There are lots of losers but the clear winners seem to be the western banks and US Treasury.”
In other words, the banking elite creates the very economic environment – soaring interest rates, spiraling food prices, poverty, lower standards of living – that precipitates civil unrest – and then like a vulture swoops down to devour what remains of the country’s assets on the cheap.
We have already seen this process unfold in places like Bolivia, Ecuador, Indonesia, Greece and Argentina. Next on the chopping block are Spain, Italy, Britain and France – all of which have seen widespread riots over the last two years.
Given the clear economic motive for stirring unrest in the United States, we’d expect to see preparations for domestic disorder in numerous different guises – and indeed the signs are everywhere.
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Most Americans cannot possibly fathom an America where the economy has collapsed, the dollar is valueless, and food is so expensive that it can’t be had by the majority of the populace.
They can’t imagine any situation that would require the deployment of military soldiers into their towns and cities.
They are clueless to the existence of the National Defense Authorization Act which legalizes the indefinite detention of terror suspects. They think the Patriot Act is legislation that applies only to Al Queda. They don’t know, nor do they care, that President Obama has signed numerous Executive Orders designed for continuity of government operations and martial law.
None of them realize that the President himself is now creating kill lists and justifications for why American citizens can be targeted by military drone strikes without charge or trial.
For these people, with their heads buried in the sand, America today is the same as it has always been.
When their idealistic paradigm of stable 9-5 employment, ample retirement funds, weekend barbecues, and Constitutional protections comes to end, what do you think they are going to do?
What will they do should stock markets melt down, the US dollar crashes or the economy collapses to Great Depression levels?
They will panic. They will riot in the streets. They will turn violent. Their whole world will be turned upside down and devolve into violence and bloodshed.
The government knows this. Homeland security knows this. The military knows this. Any student of history knows this.
We are now being desensitized to the response should it ever come to pass.
The LAPD has pulled a Waco. Barely two hours after ordering the media to remove their helicopters from the area and cut all live feeds, the LAPD managed to set fire to the cabin occupied by Christopher Dorner and burn him alive inside it, according to media reports.
Mission accomplished for the LAPD, an organization that has run its manhunt more like a rampaging street gang than a professional police department. As Natural News has already documented, LAPD officers have engaged in attempted murder of innocent citizens in their freakish frenzy to try to kill Dorner.
Their motive explains why LAPD officers fired tear gas into the cabin where Dorner was staying, knowing it would ignite flammable materials in the home and set the place on fire.
“…tear gas was fired into the house before the fire broke out,” reports the Los Angeles CBS affiliate. This is the same sort of tactic that was used to burn down the Branch Davidian community in Waco, Texas in 1993. The Waco raid, we all know by now, was a politically-motivated ATF assault against innocent men, women and children, all conducted for the purpose of increasing the visibility and importance of the ATF by creating a crisis where none existed. Click here to see an informative video on the subject.
Law enforcement knows full well that tear gas rounds often set homes ablaze. In fact, a California fire department issued a report in 2012 that supports precisely that conclusion. As the San Jose Mercury News reported last year:
Police tear gas launched into a Vallejo home in February during a SWAT-team standoff played a role in starting a fire that caused $60,000 in damage and killed two dogs, a fire department report released Monday finds.
The evidence so far
So here’s what we know:
1) The LAPD engaged in a wild, frenzied attempt to execute Dorner. This resulted in LAPD officers engaging in the attempted murder of innocent civilians, including one surfer and two women in a pickup truck. (Question: Why are LAPD officers who shot at innocent citizens not being charged with attempted murder?)
2) Once Dorner was holed up in a cabin, the LAPD chose to fire tear gas canisters into the home instead of waiting him out and forcing a surrender after a long standoff.
3) LAPD officers know full well that tear gas canisters can set off fires.
4) Once the fire broke out, Dorner was a dead man. If he fled the fire, he would be shot down by the LAPD. If he stayed in the cabin, he would be burned alive. This is the new brand of “justice” the LAPD is dishing out in 2013.
I’m not condoning the actions of Dorner, who appears to have murdered at least four victims. But if the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty — without a trial or anything resembling due process — then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that’s how they’re acting. They can even have their own gang signs that they flash at each other before running another taxpayer-funded drive-by.
Dorner succeeds where the media has failed
Whether Dorner is really dead at this point or somehow managed to escape the fire (a possibility that has been reported), he has accomplished one astonishing thing that even the media could not achieve: The exposing of the total criminality of the LAPD and its complete abandonment of law.
Even if Dorner is dead, the LAPD still comes out of this looking not only utterly incompetent but — even worse – driven by vengeance rather than law. As every citizen reading this can easily recognize, that’s a very dangerous attitude for a police force to carry. In this frenzied manhunt, the whole world watched while the LAPD exposed itself as a gang of reckless idiotswho openly fire their guns at innocent civilians and who ram citizens’ vehicles with their police cars in acts of sheer madness and desperation.
“These lunatics broadsided the side of his truck, spun him around and started shooting at him,” said the attorney for one of the victims of the LAPD murder attempts.
The Torrance Police Department, which seems to have abandoned all reason and logic just as the LAPD has done, explained that “Perdue’s truck was ‘suddenly leaving the area’ and seemingly veering into a patrol car when the two vehicles collided at 5:15 a.m.” (Source)
So now, pulling out of a driveway or simply starting your car and driving away can be interpreted as “suddenly leaving the area,” earning you an attempted vehicular manslaughter maneuver by the local police. How’s that for public safety, eh?
Dorner’s killings were not random; but the LAPD’s attempted murders were!
Consider the actual risk of harm here: Dorner did not engage in RANDOM killings. Want proof? He did not kill his hostages. He let them live because they weren’t on his kill list. And yet the LAPD did, indeed, engage in random acts of attempted murder. Morally and ethically speaking, the LAPD was operating in worse violation than Dorner himself. Killing people who have wronged you is evil, but attempting to kill innocent people who have nothing to do with anything is even worse, and that’s what the LAPD did.
In fact, if you really look at the situation in retrospect, a typical LA citizen was far more likely to be killed by the LAPD than by Chris Dorner. Dorner was a selective killer while the LAPD attempted to kill people indiscriminately… seemingly at random.
If you weren’t on Chris Dorner’s kill list, you had nothing to fear from Dorner. But if you were a black man with a bald head, you had everything to fear from the LAPD! And they proved it by opening fire on not just one innocent person, nor two, but THREE innocent citizens who didn’t even resemble Dorner (two of the victims were women, the third was a thin white guy).
No wonder the LAPD was so desperately trying to murder Dorner on sight: the man knew too much. He had seen the inside operations of the LAPD, and he recognized what a runaway criminal operation it was.
None of this justifies Dorner’s actions, of course. Making a kill list and murdering people is no way to handle things in a civilized country… unless, of course, you’re President Barack Obama, in which case you get a bunch of DoJ lawyers to issue a 16-page memo “legalizing” your own private kill list that “authorizes” the murder of American citizens.
That’s where Obama and Dorner are a lot alike: They both believe in the use of violence, outside of law, to kill their enemies. Obama uses armed drones while Dorner used a rifle. Both of them are criminals who operate outside the law, and the only reason Dorner isn’t a national hero right now is because he didn’t have an army of lawyers working at the DoJ who could sanitize his activities by shoveling lawyerspeak manure all over the place.
Dorner also forgot to call his actions “peace.” See, if you kill a bunch of Americans without calling it “peace,” then you get chased by the police. But if you call it “peace,” as Obama does, you win a Nobel Peace Prize. And then the bombs you drop on children in the Middle East are called “peace bombs.”
Dorner’s mistake in all this was not that he killed people, you see, it’s that he didn’t get enough voters to back him first. Once you get the voters behind you, you can kill anybody you want, with no legal recourse whatsoever. That’s the precedent recently set by the White House, anyway.
Editor’s note: I wrote this article before seeing Alex Jones’ video on this subject at:
He and I both came to the same conclusion on this, which I suppose is not that astonishing, considering the history of police action in America. But what really is astonishing is that Alex Jones totally predicted, on the record, that the police would burn Dorner by setting fire to the cabin. Once again, Jones was 100% correct!
For the record, I typically hear Alex’s broadcast 1-3 days after it airs. I don’t listen to it in real time because I’m running Natural News during the day, so I listen to InfoWars via the downloadable MP3 files at other times, usually when I’m doing farm work. The Alex Jones Show is perfect for listening when you’re on a John Deere tractor, shredding 75 acres to get ready for the spring hay season. You should try it sometime…
Just like the suspected 9/11 terrorist’s explosion-proof passport that was found magically intact amid the ground zero rubble, the mainstream media is now reporting that suspected cop killer Christopher Dorner’s wallet and identification card were found beside charred remains in the burned out Big Bear cabin where police cornered him yesterday.
Citing the Associated Press, USA Today reports:
“A wallet with a California driver’s license bearing the name Christopher Dorner also was found, the Associated Press reported, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but declined to be named because of the ongoing probe.”
The Guardian actually began an article titled “Christopher Dorner’s wallet found inside burned cabin, reports say” with:
“Investigators have reportedly found Christopher Dorner’s wallet beside charred human remains at the forest cabin where he made a last stand, giving California police some peace of mind as they prepared to bury their dead.”
The Washington Times notes a wallet and other personal items were found in the cabin which burned down after an intense, hours-long fire:
“One official with knowledge of the police investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity said investigators found a California driver’s license with the name Christopher Dorner on it, along with a wallet and various personal items, inside the cabin, according to The Associated Press.”
Questions regarding what type of flame-retardant material Dorner’s wallet must have been made of to withstand a fire that charred at least one person and consumed a whole cabin will be set aside for now for another blaring question:
How many wallets with ID cards in them did Dorner own exactly?
Multiple mainstream outlets have previously reported that Dorner’s wallet and identification had already been found near the U.S.-Mexico border.
On February 11, the LA Times reported:
“After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner’s wallet and identification cards ‘at the San Ysidro Point of Entry’ near the U.S.-Mexico border.”
Fox News parroted the LA Times on that. According to this NBC article from yesterday, the wallet’s discovery was part of a criminal complaint in regard to allegations that Dorner tried to steal a boat and escape:
“The possibility that Dorner might have fled to Mexico arose in a criminal complaint filed in Feb. 7 in California’s Central District Court. Early that morning, a San Diego boat captain said, Dorner had tried to steal his boat to flee south across the border, according to the complaint. Dorner’s wallet and identification cards were found near the border with Mexico, according to the complaint.”
UT San Diego also reported:
“An investigator working the case said that a wallet and identification cards belonging to Dorner were recovered last week at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, according to a federal complaint filed Thursday in Santa Ana.”
As if that wasn’t strange enough, the same UT San Diego report goes on to mention that before Dorner’s wallet and ID cards being found at the U.S.-Mexico border, an earlier report from authorities claimed his wallet and ID had already been found in the middle of a San Diego street:
“That contradicts with what authorities said on Thursday, when it was reported that a shuttle bus driver turned over Dorner’s wallet, LAPD police badge and photo ID to San Diego police after a passer-by found them near Lindbergh Field. San Diego Police Chief Bill Lansdowne said Tuesday that the items were found in the middle of Pacific Highway and Laurel Street.”
So again: how many wallets, complete with ID cards, did Dorner own? How often do people own multiple wallet sets complete with duplicate ID cards?
Not to disrespect the fallen, but in his manifesto, Dorner vowed he would use all of his police and military training to “bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare” to the LAPD. The ex-LAPD cop was reportedly able to kill three people including a police officer and evade a wide scale law enforcement manhunt for days. Through all the strategy and planning his infamous acts entailed, for whatever reason Dorner decided it would be wise to go on an elaborate shooting spree but take up valuable space that could have been used to carry more guns and ammo with…multiple wallets and ID cards?
A Second former LAPD officer releases a manifesto
Christopher Dorner is creating quite a firestorm of attention directed toward the Los Angles Police Department, and now his efforts have doubled in another manifesto created by former LAPD Officer Joe Jones.
In its entirety, it reads exactly (typos and grammatical errors included):
“My Former LAPD Officer Joe Jones MANIFESTO…
I know most of you who personally who me are in disbelief of the partial story I will tell today. A story that has been suppressed for about 18 years, But lives strong everyday of my life.
I without hesitation would like to send my condolences to the Victims who were lost and their families during this tragic situation. I would also like to send my condolences and well wishes to the many former and current Officers, as well as Citizen’s and their families who lost the lives and souls of loved one’s to the injustices of Police Corruption, Scandal, Lies, Deception and Brutality.
Unlike Former Officer Dorner, I fear dying; But I also fear living in a society where Innocent people are dying for no reason. A society where pain so great can be afflicted to people who have to desire to live right and treat people right and then be punished for doing right.
They say we all look alike. In very few cases this of course is true. But in most cases it is not. I feel a resemblance to Dorner, (See Photos) However several people who have no resemblance to Dorner have been shot due to the fear of what is taking place. I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT FOR CRIMES I DID NOT COMMIT!. Neither does anyone else.
To preface my story I will say this: Just like former Officer Christopher Dorner I used to smile a lot. I loved everyone. I was voted Friendliest Senior of my Sr. Class in High School. I always believed in the system and never got into any trouble. I loved hard and gave to all I could. After Joining the LAPD in 1989 I quickly found out that the world and society had major flaws. I had flaws as well for ever believing that our system of government was obligated to do the right thing. his is what I believed as a young Officer. Without going into major detail, I need you to first assume that I would not surface 16 years later with lies about a situation that has me with PTSD to this very day. The pain forces me to speak as I have yet to shake the Ill’s of my experience as an LAPD Officer. Of course I have moved on physically. But mentally and emotionally I still live with flaws.
I can’t go into re-living the emotions of what I went through so I will say this. I had my home viciously attacked by a gunman with my family and myself inside the house. No arrests were made and my family and I Received very little support. I had my Civil Rights violated on several occasions. I was falsely arrested at gunpoint by the Sheriffs as an Officer who ID’d himself and was conspired against by both LAPD and the Sheriffs when my Civil case went to Trial. I was falsely accused on more than one occasion and simply placed in a position that the trust was so compromised that I could no longer wear the Uniform. Also know there were many more episodes. All of these issues are well documented and I present them not to be a Whistle blower, However to hope that one would not assume that all of what is being said is Lies as presented by Dorner. I don’t know him, But I know me. I will say from my experience, If a person knows they were wrong it is easier to move on without anger. Seems that Dorner obviously could not move on… Could I just be content and move on with my life and not say anything? Yes…Then I would feel that I for once had my chance to speak on something that hurts me to this day and I did nothing to arouse thought or provoke reform. This is what I hope comes from this whole situation:
1. Families that lost someone to this tragedy find the peace that only God can give at this terrible time.
2. Citizens of Los Angeles be mindful of this fearful time to be an Officer and comply vigorously so that you are not the victim of an Officer on high alert.
3. Government and Politicians please be diligent in the responsibility of creating Laws that protect those who could be the victim of a conspiracy. Never allow the door to be shut on the Truth.
4. Honest and Fair LAPD & All Agencies: Keep doing what you are doing to protect citizens and be safe while you are doing so. We need you and I would hope that you do not allow the Bureaucratic drama and Stress to kill your morale as I know it can.
5. Unethical LAPD & all Agencies: Whatever is was that lead you down this path, Pray to somebody’s God to forgive you and begin to remove unethical methods to your policing style. Always think what if it were you, How would you feel?..How would you like if you were falsely accused and your life, lively-hood and career was taken from you? How would you like if someone was beating on you just because they felt they could get away with it? You are no better the criminals you took and oath to arrest when you do what you do!
6. Chistopher Dorner. The 1st thing I would say to him is, I feel your pains!…But you are going about this the wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways, Only I didn’t get Fired. I just choose to go a different route. My heart still suffered that same shock, I was still left to try and put the pieces back together. The disbelief that people could conspire and cause you to loose something you loved so dearly was still there. I lost my Career, I lost my Family, I lost my Dignity, I lost my Trust…But I am here now to hopefully one day see change…Bro, Don’t kill anymore Innocent people. Your point has been made. Clearly. They know you mean business, The whole world knows. Refrain from any further wrong doing and do what you must to salvage your Soul. Whatever that means to you. Just remember that God is a forgiving God.
In conclusion I say to people who knew none of this about me that one day I will have to reflect on when was the time to speak. When I see the potential for innocent lives to be lost…The time is Now!…JJ”
A Former FBI Assistant Director said he did not know how to respond to recordings of police officers yelling “burn it down” over the radio during the raid on the cabin where fugitive Christopher Dorner was thought to have been burned alive, suggesting that the voices may not have been those of SWAT officers on the scene.
Interviewed on CNN yesterday, Tom Fuentes admitted he was at a loss to explain why the audio, extracted from police scanners, contained such panicked yelling.
“In a SWAT operation, they’re highly disciplined, highly professional. There’s not going to be that kind of shouting and, of course, the terminology, “burn it down”, and things like that. So, I just don’t — it doesn’t fit what I’m normally used to in an operation this difficult.” Fuentes said.
“You wouldn’t hear comments like that, so I just don’t know… the sheriff’s department’s going to have a lot of questions to answer about who was making those statements on the radio and why.” Fuentes added, insinuating that he believes the words may not have come from responding officers.
The interview begins at 5 mins:
As we have reported, audio recorded from online police scanners, before they were disabled, contains innumerable examples of police discussing a plan to intentionally “burn down” the cabin before incendiary CS gas was thrown in.
CNN anchor Ashleigh Banfield repeated some of the startling words heard on the audio; “most of the words I can’t say, so I’m going to have to make my way through this.” Banfield stated before listing the quotes, “Burn that smoke grenade out. Burn that “f’ing” house down. Going to burn it down. Get it going right now. “F’ing” burn this mother f’er.”
“Does that change the dynamic here, Tom?” Banfield ludicrously asked.
“It just sounds terrible, you know. I’ll admit that.” Fuentes replied, again suggesting that it is a mystery as to who was saying the words.
“It’s unprofessional. It’s unprofessional to use language like that. I don’t understand if it’s tactical teams talking to each other or their commander talking to them.” Fuentes noted, again suggesting that he believed no SWAT officer would yell those words, despite an officer having been shot dead.
“Those conversations should be on encrypted radio frequencies. They shouldn’t be out, open for widespread recording.” Fuentes added.
Fuentes went on to suggest that ” there could be other factors leading to this — leading to him to shout that.”
“…you would think you would hear gunshots in the background — so I am really at a loss to explain why, if that’s an officer yelling those commands and yelling, “Burn it down,” I really don’t understand why that would be the case.” Fuentes stated.
As we reported earlier today, the San Bernardino Sheriff’s office is ludicrously claiming that the cabin fire was not started intentionally, despite the audio evidence, which included the words “shoot the gas”, and despite an L.A. Times report yesterday which confirmed that after first having used “traditional” tear gas, law enforcement then lobbed CS gas canisters into the cabin, which are “incendiary” and “have significantly more chance of starting a fire.”
The San Bernardino Sheriff’s office is ludicrously claiming that the cabin fire which killed Christopher Dorner was not started intentionally, despite numerous references to a plan to “burn down” the building that were heard on police scanners during the standoff.
“It was not on purpose. We didn’t intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr Dorner out,” San Bernardino sheriff’s department spokesman John McMahon told reporters last night.
The part of the press conference where police took questions lasted little longer than five minutes and officials seemed reluctant to give any details, with one question at the end about whether or not police offered Dorner a chance to surrender being ignored.
Police denied intentionally setting fire to the cabin despite an L.A. Times report yesterday which confirmed that after first having used “traditional” tear gas, law enforcement then lobbed CS gas canisters into the cabin, which are “incendiary” and “have significantly more chance of starting a fire.”
McMahon admitted that the second round of CS gas was “pyrotechnic” and that it “does generate a lot of heat,” but claimed that the police scanner audio simply made reference to “burners,” which was just another name for tear gas
In reality, audio recorded from online police scanners, before they were disabled, contains innumerable examples of police discussing a plan to intentionally “burn down” the cabin before the CS gas was thrown in.
Shortly after the first shootout with Dorner, local news channel KCAL broadcast audio during which police are heard saying, “Fucking burn this motherfucker,” and “burn that fucking house down.”
In another audio clip broadcast by CBS Los Angeles, police are heard saying, “get the gas, burn it down,” clearly indicating cops knew use of CS gas would set the cabin on fire.
Separate audio includes police discussing “the plan with the burners.” “The burners are deployed, and we have a fire,” says one officer, clearly indicating that the incendiary CS gas was thrown into the cabin in order to set it on fire deliberately.
Police also made no attempt to extinguish the fire once it started despite having fire trucks nearby, again indicating that they wanted to burn Dorner alive. Photos of the cabin taken after the incident show the building burned completely to the ground.
Christopher Dorner’s actions cannot be justified, but neither can those of the police involved in his death, who for days before the standoff were busy shooting at innocent people who looked nothing like Dorner.
If law enforcement officials thought that burning Dorner to death was a reasonable way of dealing with a dangerous murderer then they should hold their hands up and admit to it.
However, the fact that San Bernardino police are brazenly lying in claiming there was no plan to intentionally set fire to the cabin, when police scanner audio clearly suggests otherwise, overwhelmingly indicates that police know that their actions were illegal.
Watch the videos below and decide for yourself whether police intentionally planned to burn the cabin to the ground.